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Re: NYC Gets Voting Machines (none / 0)

ESS is open source. Case closed. My infamous county (Broward) used ESS.

I was a voting systems technician during the last election. My precinct had one over vote. I[m pretty sure I know what happened. A voter fiddled with the flash card and froze the system. We were able to get the machine back up and running, but were couldn't get the original ballot back up to cancel the vote.

When there is a voting machine mishap and you are voting, your privacy goes out the window because it's pretty hard to fix the machine without seeing the person's vote. (I don't have to tell you who the dirty trickster who jammed the machine was voting for.

The other glaring problem is that there is no random system of checks, although the validity of an open source operating system can be ascertained.

I didn't know that ESS used Linus. Thanks! I feel better already.


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by misscee on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 03:09:35 PM EST

Re: NYC Gets Voting Machines (none / 0)

oops uses.

I haven't been able to find out very much information about central tabulators. There was a request from BBV to Slashdot members the other day. I haven't had a chance to read the comments (you can filter the comment the 194 comments received so far.)

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06 /11/13/1843244


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by misscee on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 03:17:12 PM EST
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Re: NYC Gets Voting Machines (none / 0)

Unfortunately, the presentations were focused on the hardware and look-and-feel rather than on software. Avante was notable for bringing a group of tech guys that gave a long-winded discussion of system architecture that was mostly lost on the non-technical audience. Its a shame, too, since the software issues are probably significantly more critical than the hardware, although the major capital expenditure will be the hardware

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I'm not sure of how open-source ES&S's software is, although from your comment, you seem to know that it is. I'd assume that even if the boxes use some kind of embedded Linux, the tabulator software runs on Windoze machines.

I think the importance of open-source is a bit overstated since voters and most election officials probably have no way of knowing if the executable code on the machines has anything to do with the source code that was reviewed and certified. In all the layers of complexity and contracting, it might be relatively easy for a rogue or implanted configuration management person to slip an uncertified module or library into the final system image. And even if you assume no nefarious intent, I could certainly understand a panicked developer slipping in an uncertified patch if a show-stopper bug is discovered in the 11th hour.


by ProgressiveChristian on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 03:59:06 PM EST
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agh.....if I have a chance I'll do the research. I have to admit I'm just pro open source. But having an operating system that is proprietary doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a democracy.

Can you think of any system that isn't vulnerable? As a math person I would think that a well developed system of random and independently performed audits would take care of bugs. What do banks do?


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by misscee on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 03:15:41 PM EST
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OK. I've had a little time to think. Because open source is open to scrutiny, it is less susceptible to bugs.

Did I tell you I am a voting machine tech? We print the zero tapes in the morning and tape them by the precinct door. Then at the end of the day we run the totals tapes and paste them next to the zero tapes. Any citizen can verify the county total results by going from precinct to precinct and counting up the totals tapes. My county tabulator doesn't worry me.
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I would like the VST to calibrate each machine, run a logic and accuracy test on a random machine before running the zero tapes, and replace problem machines. There shouldn't be problem machines. Period. If there is a paper trail, if random audits are performed by independent technicians, I think a voter could cast his/her vote with confidence  and a recount could be conducted with some legitimacy.

Regards


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by misscee on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 07:54:50 PM EST
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and duh (none / 0)

I was having a blond moment.  I  can't imagine allowing a corporation to own the platform, especially given the choice. When you buy your voting equipment it should be yours to keep.  Unlike Diebold who fights every request to inspect the source code, open source means that the operating system isn't owned by anyone. It's free. Anyone can look at it without getting the permission of some corporation.

In any event, I just wanted to make some sense about what I intuitively thought.


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by misscee on Mon Nov 27, 2006 at 04:47:22 PM EST
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